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Note - I've edited this a bit based on comments made.Okay, hands up who takes a Chaos Lord to lead their Chaos Space Marines...That's no-one then...glad we got that out of the way.
Chaos Lords should be hard as a coffin nail. Many of them were Captains in Traitor Legions, Most have been killing stuff that annoyed them for 10,000 years. So how is this Daemonically patronised killing mission represented? Well I'll tell you.
Space Marine Captain Statline only with a worse Invulnerable save...Great, Thanks a lot Gav.
In my humble opinion he should be more like this.
Chaos Lord - 120 points
WS 8, BS 5, S5, T4, W 3, I 5, A 4, Ld 10 Save 3+/4+ (These are intentionally higher than a Space Marine Captain)
Wargear
Power Armour, Boltgun, Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Frag + Krak Grenades, Personal Icon, Dark Halo*
* Dark Halo - Many Chaos Lords were originally Captains in the Traitor Legions or have slain loyalist Captains who have dared oppose them. Their Iron Halos have been corrupted and infused with the power of the warp. - All Chaos Lords gain a 4+ Inv. save (included in Profile)
Special Rules
Fearless, Independent Character.
Options
May take the following upgrade.
Eye of the Gods - The Chaos Lord has earned great favour in the eyes of his patron and enjoys his special favour - Lord gains the 'Eternal Warrior' special rule - 30 points
Must take one of the following (as per this post)
- Greater Mark of Chaos Undivided - Free
- Greater Mark of Khorne - 20 Points
- Greater Mark of Slaanesh - 15 Points
- Greater Mark of Nurgle - 30 Points
- Greater Mark of Tzeentch - 25 Points
May replace Bolt Pistol with a Plasma Pistol for 10 points (I think Plasma is overpriced normally)
May replace close combat weapon with one of the following
- Power Weapon - 15 points
- Power Fist - 25 points
- Single Lightning Claw - 15 points
- Pair of Lightning Claws - 25 points
- Daemon Weapon (I'm undecided yet on how to do Daemon Weapons so they'll get their own post)
May upgrade bolter to a combi-weapon for 10 points.
May take one of the following
- Jump Pack or Wings - 25 points - Any Chaos Lord with a Jump Pack or Wings may take one Chaos Raptor unit as a troops choice as long as they have the same mark as the Lord. He does not have to join this unit unless he so desires.
- Bike - 30 points - Any Chaos Lord mounted on a Bike may take one Chaos Biker unit as a troops choice as long as they have the same mark as the Lord. He does not have to join this unit unless he so desires.
- Daemonic Steed - 30 points (Haven't decided if I'm happy with these the way they are or not so they'll probably get their own post as well)
May instead replace all wargear with Terminator Armour, Twin-Linked Bolter, Power Weapon, Personal Icon, Dark Halo for 30 points.
Must take one of the following
- Greater Mark of Chaos Undivided - Free
- Greater Mark of Khorne - 20 Points
- Greater Mark of Slaanesh - 15 Points
- Greater Mark of Nurgle - 30 Points
- Greater Mark of Tzeentch - 25 Points
May upgrade Twin-Linked Bolter to a combi-weapon for 5 points.
May replace Power weapon with
- Power Fist - 10 points
- Chain Fist - 15 Points
- Single Lightning Claw - 10 points
- Daemon Weapon (I'm undecided yet on how to do Daemon Weapons so they'll get their own post)
May replace Twin-Linked Bolter + Power Weapon for a pair of Lightning Claws for 10 points.
A Lord in either Power Armour or Terminator armour May replace Bolt Pistol + Bolt Gun or Twin Linked Bolter with a Kai Gun** for 20 Points.
** Kai Gun - Forged on a world lost deep in the Eye of Terror these weapons condense the power of the warp into a pulse of pure hatred.
Kai Gun - Range 36", S6, AP4, Assault D6, Pinning,
Mark specific upgrades (regardless of whether the Lord is in Power or Terminator Armour)
Nurgle
May take Blight Grenades for - 10 Points
Slaanesh
May swap Bolter or Twin-Linked Bolter for a Sonic Blaster - 5 Points.
Khorne
May take Blessing of the Blood God (as per the Chaos Daemons Codex) - 5 Points
Tzeentch
May purchase Inferno Bolts, these will change the AP of any weapon he carries that fires a bolt round to AP3 - 10 points.
I'm beginning to appreciate the effort GW designers must have to go through to come up with this stuff (with the exception of Gav Thorpe who deserves nothing even approaching sympathy).
This entry will probably get a whole lot bigger as additional upgrades are suggested, but until then, Thoughts?
eternal warrior seems a bit much for a regular choice captain. as a purchasable upgrade yeah but not as standard equipment.
ReplyDeletei agree with plasma pistols being ott but 5pts is too low really, 10pts I think is about right
possible iron smith option, or a gifts of chaos ala the warriors of chaos book for some daemonic ascension?
A Chaos Lord is by definition an 'Eternal Warrior' don't you think?
ReplyDeleteYour probably right about Plasma I'll default to 10 points from now on.
Daemonic Gifts was something I considered then I did the Greater Marks thing instead. I think I'd prefer an Iron(War?) Smith to be a special character perhaps allowing sergeants to take Servo arms instead of Power Fists.
20pts for eternal warrior seems a bit low based on his stats and normal purchable EW has normally been set to 35pts. Most things apart from that seem fine, also BS6 seems high marine or not, 10,000 years or not the guy is combat and leader not targeting range
ReplyDeleteI've changed Eternal warrior to 30 points and BS to 5 I've also made a couple of alterations based on Marks comments.
ReplyDeleteyeah i was thinking special character would be cool, maybe do them similar to space marines but base the alterations on marks so only say chaos undivided could gain the iron warriors upgrades. which would still allow cult troops but in lesser numbers
ReplyDeleteand yes the bigger ones would be eternal warrior, but not the recently turned or un ancient ones. i think the upgrade is the better way to do it. as you could even apply it to the sorcerers
If it's okay for Wolf Lords to buy Eternal Warrior then It's okay for Chaos Lords too imo.
ReplyDeleteI think I'll look at Raptors next but I'll keep checking the other posts in case you can think of anything else.