Is the Chaos Codex viable any-more? - Part 2 - Chaos MC

So having perused through all the lists I can find online and assessed them based on my own playtesting and a bit of mathshammer these are the only really viable competitive Chaos lists I can find.

Note - These are based on my personal preferences which are winning and.....okay based on my only preference. Against a good opponent with an optimised list you'll struggle to win with a Chaos Space Marine list I'm afraid. At least with these you may have a decent chance.

List 1 - The Chaos MC list

2000 Pts - Chaos Marines Roster - Chaos MC

HQ: Daemon Prince (1#, 155 pts)

1 Daemon Prince @ 155 pts (Wings; Mark of Slaanesh; Lash of Submission x1)

HQ: Daemon Prince (1#, 155 pts)

1 Daemon Prince @ 155 pts (Wings; Mark of Slaanesh; Lash of Submission x1)

: Summoned Greater Daemon (1#, 100 pts)

1 Summoned Greater Daemon @ 100 pts

Elite: Dreadnought (1#, 115 pts)

1 Dreadnought @ 115 pts (Extra Armor; Dreadnought CCW; Twin Linked Bolter)

Elite: Dreadnought (1#, 115 pts)

1 Dreadnought @ 115 pts (Extra Armor; Dreadnought CCW; Twin Linked Bolter)

Elite: Dreadnought (1#, 115 pts)

1 Dreadnought @ 115 pts (Extra Armor; Dreadnought CCW; Twin Linked Bolter)

Troops: Plague Marines (7#, 208 pts)

5 Plague Marines @ 208 pts (Meltagun x2; Rhino)

1 Plague Champion

1 Rhino (Twin Linked Bolter)

Troops: Plague Marines (6#, 175 pts)

5 Plague Marines @ 175 pts (Personal Icon; Meltagun x2; Rhino)

1 Rhino (Twin Linked Bolter)

Troops: Plague Marines (6#, 175 pts)

5 Plague Marines @ 175 pts (Personal Icon; Meltagun x2; Rhino)

1 Rhino (Twin Linked Bolter)

: Summoned Lesser Daemon (6#, 78 pts)

6 Summoned Lesser Daemon @ 78 pts

: Summoned Lesser Daemon (6#, 78 pts)

6 Summoned Lesser Daemon @ 78 pts

: Summoned Lesser Daemon (6#, 78 pts)

6 Summoned Lesser Daemon @ 78 pts

Heavy Support: Defiler (1#, 150 pts)

1 Defiler @ 150 pts (Close Combat Arm; Close Combat Arm; Fleet)

Heavy Support: Defiler (1#, 150 pts)

1 Defiler @ 150 pts (Close Combat Arm; Close Combat Arm; Fleet)

Heavy Support: Defiler (1#, 150 pts)

1 Defiler @ 150 pts (Close Combat Arm; Close Combat Arm; Fleet)

Total Roster Cost: 1997

There's still some scope for customisation as long as the fundamentals are kept.

The 'big monster' count needs to stay close to maximum (2 Princes, 1 Greater Daemon, 3 Dreadnoughts and 3 Defilers) what's left is changeable based on personal preference.

The Lash Princes are great if the majority of your opponents still have guys who walk about either by necessity (pure Drop Pod armies etc.) or by preference (The obligatory Ork Horde guy, lol). If your local 'metagame' is more 'Mech' then swap out the Slaanesh Princes for Nurgle ones with Warptime (dropping a unit of Lesser Daemons pays for it easily).

Due to the increased survivability of vehicles in 5th. Ed. I rarely bother with extra armour on anything any-more. However in this list you need everything moving towards the enemy as fast as possible. Your opponent can stop shooting at a Dreadnought that can't move towards him (because It's stunned) and move onto something else but if all that's wrong with it is that it can't shoot It's Twin-Linked Bolters then it's still as big a threat as before (you were most likely going to run it anyway unless it was in charge range).

Also remember that Defilers have Smoke Launchers for that all important cover save (you'd be amazed how many people forget that it can 'Fleet' let alone that it can pop smoke).

For 1750 drop the Lesser Daemons, the Personal Icons and swap a Plague Marine Meltagun for a Flamer.

In Part 3 - The Return of the 'Rhino Rush'.