E-Mail in - Lamenters

E-Mail In : Can you have a look at this list please. It's for a badab war campign. i'm doing  Lamenters, so i'm using the Blood Angel codex. I'm not allowed any Death Company due to chapter fluff.

Editors Note: I've checked his list and he appears to have forgotten to deduct the 35 points points break on vehicles for Assault Squads and paid the wrong points for a few other things. Therefore the version below is a 'points corrected' version of the one he sent me.


1500 Pts - Blood Angels Roster - Snazle's 'Lamenters'

HQ: Malakim Phoros (IA) (1#, 175 pts)
   1 Malakim Phoros (IA) @ 175 pts

Elite: Sanguinary Priest (1#, 65 pts)
   1 Sanguinary Priest @ 65 pts (Sanguinary Priest in Power Armour)
      1 Sanguinary Priest in Power Armour (Power Sword)

Elite: Chaplain (1#, 100 pts)
   1 Chaplain @ 100 pts (...in Power Armour)
      1 ...in Power Armour

Troops: Assault Squad (9#, 409 pts)
   7 Assault Squad @ 409 pts (Remove Jump Packs; Land Raider Redeemer)
      1 Sergeant (Remove Jump Packs; Plasma Pistol x1; Power Fist x1)
      1 Land Raider Redeemer (Multi-Melta)

Troops: Assault Squad (6#, 185 pts)
   4 Assault Squad @ 185 pts (Remove Jump Packs; Razorback)
      1 Sergeant (Remove Jump Packs; Lightning Claw x2)
      1 Razorback (Lascannon and TL Plasmagun)

Troops: Assault Squad (6#, 155 pts)
   4 Assault Squad @ 155 pts (Remove Jump Packs; Razorback)
      1 Sergeant (Remove Jump Packs; Hand Flamer x1; Power Fist x1)
      1 Razorback (Twin Linked Heavy Flamer)

Fast Attack: Baal Predator (1#, 145 pts)
   1 Baal Predator @ 145 pts (Heavy Bolter)

Fast Attack: Baal Predator (1#, 145 pts)
   1 Baal Predator @ 145 pts (Heavy Bolter)

Total Roster Cost: 1379

In Reply:

Okay so we have a number of issues here, the primary one being a lack of focus.  Luckily due to a few pointing errors we have some room for manoeuvre.

But firstly.....

Presumably you are using the Las/Plas Razorback unit for objective holding purposes so your sending only two vehicles towards the enemy and even including it three vehicles isn't much. The Land Raider is going to eat all the Melta, The Razorback eats everything else then your guys on foot die to torrents of fire and/or any semi useful assault unit.
Your Baal Predators are pretty good anti-infantry but given your shortage of other vehicles they're going to be on the receiving end of the rest of the enemies ranged anti-tank. Armour 13 is useful but your opponent effectively only needs to get a crew shaken result to render the vehicle (for all intents and purposes) useless.

So we need to pick a focus and as your chosen Imperial Armour character appears to be close ranged then we might as well focus your army towards kicking things in the balls.....

To that end we're going to go with the principle that certain parts of the internet like to call '1+1' whereby the transport does one thing and the passengers do another. I'm not sure that you need the Land Raider, Chaplain or Priest in the list so I'm not using them though we'll throw in a 'Furious Charge/Feel no Pain' bubble in the shape of some honour Guard. You are obviously free to delete what you please should you wish to re-include them, lol.

And since you can't do anything on the Internet these days without giving it a silly name I present.....


1500 Pts - Blood Angels Roster - Lamenters - Fireclaw ;-)

HQ: Malakim Phoros (IA) (1#, 175 pts)
   1 Malakim Phoros (IA) @ 175 pts

: Honour Guard (6#, 235 pts)
   1 Honour Guard @ 235 pts (Blood Champion; Honour Guard; Razorback)
      1 Blood Champion (Lightning Claw x1)
      1 Sanguinary Novitiate
      3 Honour Guard (Meltagun x1)
      1 Razorback (Twin Linked Heavy Flamer)

Troops: Assault Squad (6#, 160 pts)
   3 Assault Squad @ 160 pts (Remove Jump Packs; Meltagun; Razorback)
      1 Assault Marine with Meltagun (Remove Jump Packs)
      1 Sergeant (Remove Jump Packs; Infernus Pistol x1; Lightning Claw x1)
      1 Razorback (Twin Linked Heavy Flamer)

Troops: Assault Squad (6#, 160 pts)
   3 Assault Squad @ 160 pts (Remove Jump Packs; Meltagun; Razorback)
      1 Assault Marine with Meltagun (Remove Jump Packs)
      1 Sergeant (Remove Jump Packs; Infernus Pistol x1; Lightning Claw x1)
      1 Razorback (Twin Linked Heavy Flamer)

Troops: Assault Squad (6#, 160 pts)
   3 Assault Squad @ 160 pts (Remove Jump Packs; Meltagun; Razorback)
      1 Assault Marine with Meltagun (Remove Jump Packs)
      1 Sergeant (Remove Jump Packs; Infernus Pistol x1; Lightning Claw x1)
      1 Razorback (Twin Linked Heavy Flamer)

Troops: Assault Squad (6#, 160 pts)
   3 Assault Squad @ 160 pts (Remove Jump Packs; Meltagun; Razorback)
      1 Assault Marine with Meltagun (Remove Jump Packs)
      1 Sergeant (Remove Jump Packs; Infernus Pistol x1; Lightning Claw x1)
      1 Razorback (Twin Linked Heavy Flamer)

Troops: Assault Squad (6#, 160 pts)
   3 Assault Squad @ 160 pts (Remove Jump Packs; Meltagun; Razorback)
      1 Assault Marine with Meltagun (Remove Jump Packs)
      1 Sergeant (Remove Jump Packs; Infernus Pistol x1; Lightning Claw x1)
      1 Razorback (Twin Linked Heavy Flamer)

Fast Attack: Baal Predator (1#, 145 pts)
   1 Baal Predator @ 145 pts (Heavy Bolter)

Fast Attack: Baal Predator (1#, 145 pts)
   1 Baal Predator @ 145 pts (Heavy Bolter)

Total Roster Cost: 1500


A Predator goes on each flank and goes for side shots on vehicles if there's no infantry to shoot at, everything else drives towards the enemy as fast as possible.
Infantry kills vehicles, vehicles kill infantry.

You can swap the Honour Guard and a Razorback for a Priest and a Land Raider if you really must have them.

Thoughts, comments and better names than 'Fireclaw' are (as usual) most welcome.